[SK] Neither of them, completely wrong understanding. There is no such thing as gravity force, it is simply bending of space-time. A massive object bends space-time and bent space-time tells the object how to move, that's it. This is general relativity.
There is no need to invoke dark matter, all this nonsense talk, there is no need. The only reason we are invoking dark matter is why? Because when you take general relativity and you apply it to spiral galaxies, you find that the outermost planets or the stars in the outer spiral are moving faster than they should. So, there is some other stuff going on which we don't know and since we don't know that we call it dark. Why dark? Because we don't know what the heck it is.
Why is the shape of a water droplet round? You know? Have you seen a water droplet?
[Participant 1] The water around pushes the air?
[Participant 2] Surface tension.
[SK] Exactly, it's nothing to do with pushing, it's the surface tension that drives the shape of the water molecule. And what is the thing about surface tension? It wants to minimize the energy and the energy minimized shape is a sphere, by definition, which is why everything is round, it is minimization of surface energy, that's it. There's no need to invoke all this other nonsense. We don't know about it.
Guruji talks at a totally different level, maybe it is true, but there is no physics to show it. There is no physics to show it, that there is some dark thing that is pushing everything into a circle. There is no physics to show it.
[Participant 1] No, no, no, it is not about something, some dark thing. But the space, see, I mean, what I understood, the perception of my understanding is like this. In that Mandala Vatika, what they said is the empty space has, for example, what he mentioned is one centimeter by one centimeter by one centimeter, that much small, such a small space, not even space, nothingness has a capacity to give birth to millions of millions of planets like this.
[SK] That is completely nonsense talk.
[Participant 1] But he has discussed that such kind of research is already going on now.
[SK] No, just stop it. It's a distortion. What is happening now is, what is happening now is that the zero field physics is finally being understood. So what happens is, when you go from gross, so when you are at gross length scales, there is certainty. You can accurately determine the position and the momentum of, let's say, this cup. You can totally determine it. When you go to subtle length scales, you have to give up the certainty. It becomes probability. Everything becomes probabilistic. And the equations show that there are certain combinations of variables that cannot be specified to arbitrary degrees of precision independently. This is the Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. It has nothing to do with measurement. It is just the math works out like that.
So, one of the combination of variables is position and momentum. This is one combination. There are other, there are zillions of other combinations that have the same uncertainty relationship and the uncertainty relationship is precise. It is h cross, it is h by 2 pi. It is very, very precise, the uncertainty relationship because it comes from Planck's constant.
Now, what has happened is when you go to the zero, when you go to the zero field, you can always create pairs of particles which are self-annihilation without any loss in physics. You can have electron-positron or electron anti-electron, proton anti-proton, all this anti-business happens. So, if you model this, you can see empty space full of stuff, but they are all virtual.
So, if you calculate, knowing today's physics, knowing today's physics, you come up with all these weird infinities. When you do these calculations, you come up with weird infinities, which just means that today's physics is not complete enough to describe empty space. So, when people are calculating infinities, they are interpreting it as infinite energies present in every, let's say, what you said, a small volume of space, but that is a wrong interpretation because the physics is incomplete. The physics is incomplete, that's the problem.
[Participant 1] Yeah, so that's where I'm coming. So, whatever our understanding of physics is, can it be extended in this direction, in this way?
[SK] Eventually, yeah.
[Participant 1] So, what we understood is stone getting attracted towards earth. So, instead of that, is it the other way that something is getting, the stone is being pushed by this space?
[SK] No. Not like that? No, because then you'll have infinite, I mean, come on, then for zero energy, you'll reach Mars, right? Because you'll just be pushed by empty space and finally you're on Mars. It's not going to work like that. You can generate perpetual machines by just like the stone is being pushed. Why it pushed in one direction? Why not all directions equally pushed?
[Participant 1] No, no, because, because,.
[SK] No, just stop it. This is just wrong physics. Just stop the discussion. It's completely bogus.
That's it. See, be very careful with this pseudo-interpretation of physics. Who's, who's talking about it? Is this, is he a physicist who's taking about this on Mandala Vatika? I don't think so.
[Participant 1] No, no, no. This is not about pseudo-interpretation of physics and not we, I'm, I would not call it even as some interpretation of physics. I would call it as some interpretation. It may be related to physics. Yeah, but talking about stone. And this is, see, this is about super subtle thing and it will not be, it, physics, I'm not sure whether physics can explain subtle. Physics can explain only gross, right?
[SK] No, no. Who said? Who said?
The Schrodinger equation explains every single stuff that the hydrogen atom can do. Everything. Newton's laws do not explain. So, it took 100 years It took 100 years from Newton to come to Schrodinger. Actually, no, it took 100 years come to Einstein. Then it took another 50 years to come to Schrodinger. Okay. So, it's a time thing. You cannot discount anything because the process is the same. The process is exactly the same. Looking outward and going to infinity, looking inward and going to the same infinity is the same process.
Physics is extremely rigorous. It takes a lot and lot and lot of to get even a slight validation to be done. Take the neutrino, for example. The problem of the neutrino is normally neutrino should not reach the surface of the earth. They don't have the half-life to reach it, but they still reach. Why do they reach? They reach because of the relativity effect. There is time dilation that is happening for the neutrino. When you account for the relativity effect, you can explain the neutrino. Like this, physics right now is at the scale of let's say 10 to the minus 18 length scale. We have to come to 10 to the minus 34. Eventually we will come. When you come to the 10 to the minus 34 length scale, you will start to understand all this. All these infinities will go away. The math is being developed right now. So just be patient. Maybe it will take 200 years, but eventually it will happen. It has to be a rigorous process. You cannot just do bombastic things like this. Oh, you're talking about length scales of a stone. Dude, stone is like a millimeter big. There is no quantum effect at the scale of millimeter. Just stop this loose talk.